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sometimes looks for wood instead of buying, but more often buys because no time - before 1 hr. at a time given krupuk for family as much as wanted but no wages 4-5 bangkus each now they don;t want krupuk 25 Rp per bungkus then 125 Rp per bungkus now 5000 profit a batch 2000-3000 before raw mats cheaper before isinya 5 pieces, now only 3-3 1/2 in 1983 son had hip injury, in hospital 7 days, 11 more days treatment total cost 500,000 Rp borrowed here & there, mainly