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listen to smith interview uses dreng bamboo he is the only pandai in his village has ubub. putar tangan, made himself made in 1986 for 50,000 (if buy 175,000) formerly they used double piston but now both he & father use rotary [[image]] nail shaped has a grinda listrik, formerly grinda targan butunya must be replaced every 15 days - cost of 1100 satu hidup, satu mati files last 15 days also & then