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he ways a runner - represented Bali in [[strikethrough]] 1965 [[/strikethrough]] 1961 + 1965 in Pon (national athletic games in Bandung + Jak) 
also 1969 in Surabaya, tho als. 4 kids so people know him from this
from 72-75 apprenticed; for start-up capital got advances from buyers, 1/2 advance if not enough, could ngebon with wood sellers always gets 1/2 advance, so no capital problem really; 
member of KUD but never borrowed; 
buys wood from stores- Batu Bulan (2), Bala Batu (2), lukowati (2)
formerly could negebon 1 wk or so for wood, but not now