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before - didn't sell in Puncak and didn't pikul bought 150,000 at a time, sold to 2 kiosks, profit 15,000 Rp at 5-6 x now says 12500 Rp - often they took and kredit and late paying 68,750 profit - has 2 pikuls, 1 in Band and 1 in Bogon hard to use push can't but naik-turun sheets are rentineens in his village 20% in 40 days - but he doesn't use not members of coops, aisans, kelompoks in village