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before KUP had only 
2 impig
very small clay oven, 
made himself
no cost
does in kitchen, no [[underline]] special [[/underline]] place
no other bank loans 
-capital before from selling wood (but not a ped. kayne)- he had 2 trees, cut down
has borrowed from kids, but only 2000 - 3000 at a time
1. [[slash through]] A [[/slash through]] mantu sells tires in tasik, 1 is a kernet truck
4 married children give him + wife 8000 - 10,000 sumbangan a mo
he gives no more than 1000 to grandchildren