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Transcription: [00:43:46]
{SPEAKER name="Moderator"}
We have one more question, and that'll be the end, because we have to, to um, we have some business to take care of. Some business? Uh, so, Uh so, I saw...

[00:43:59]
{SPEAKER name="Audience1"}
Uh, in view of the, seeing the fact that the upper classes the ruling powers have given away all but the last vestiges of power to the great middle class,

[00:44:10]
do you see group...what can you do when you're dealing not so much with the leaders who are almost unreachable and control very little power ah that you can directly get at,

[00:44:24]
but you're dealing with these huge millions of masses of people who are in the middle class who see themselves aligned against any sort of movement.

[00:44:34]
{SPEAKER name="James Baldwin"}
I'm not altogether sure I understand your question but I do understand it. Umm

[00:44:43]
{SPEAKER name="Audience1"}
In other words, there's no target it used be that you go to Eastman but now Eastman is is not really the thing. But you've got lots of people that work for Eastman and lots of people that think Eastman's job is their job but helps him helps them

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{SPEAKER name="James Baldwin"}
Yeah well I don't... my own attention wouldn't be with on those people particularly because I don't in the very same way, to put it cruelly,

[00:45:08]
I don't expect an awful lot of help from the Negro middle class and for the same reason.

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{SPEAKER name="James Baldwin"}
The only thing we can do about those people is eliminate-- to change the standard in which they live.

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{SPEAKER name="James Baldwin"}
You certainly will never get the middle classes in any country to be on the side of any revolution. Because it obviously means they're gonna could lose something.

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{SPEAKER name="James Baldwin"}
Since you can't possibly hope to get their support, there's no point in, you know, going to their parties.

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{SPEAKER name="James Baldwin"}
What you have to do then is work on how to immobilize them simply, so they can do ... so that they do the least possible damage.

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{SPEAKER name="James Baldwin"}
But there's absolutely no point in pretending that they're ever going to be friends not not until long after this is over anyway. But I think if you think in terms of how your going to reach