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282 HELICOPTER AIR SERVICE PROGRAM

Senator MONRONEY. Do you have any passenger traffic in that complex at Gary, Ind., that takes off and flies to O'Hare?
Mr. MOORE. Yes, At the present time we have about 200 passengers a month.
Senator MONRONEY. That is not insignificant. How many flights a day?
Mr. MOORE. Two flights a day now.
Senator MONRONEY. You still carry about 200 a month? 
Mr. MOORE. Yes, sire.
Senator MONRONEY. That would be a little less than 10 a day-about 8 a day.
When you were flying from the rooftop-when did you stop flying from the rooftop of the downtown Chicago post office? 
Mr. MOORE. We stopped in 1961, at the suggestions of the Civil Aeronautics Board.
Senator MONRONEY. Did they stop you from flying in there because of lack of two-engine equipment? 
Mr. MOORE. No, sir, because of lack of funds. CAB felt that it would be better if we would use the funds that were being expended on the mail-only roof operation and devote those to the expansion of the passenger operation. 
Senator MONREONY. Why wasn't FAA afraid a single-engine would cause a crash in densely-populated areas when the post office was being used? 
Mr. MOORE. As we moved along in this business, much of the rulemaking has gotten more sophisticated and more difficult to live with. Initially I personally made the first landings on the post office roof in Chicago. We were writing the rulebook right then. As we went through the succeeding years, we made arrangements to land at Grant Park. Just as those were consummated, the rulebook changed again and we had a new heliport criteria that was so stringent for single engine that the FAA turned it down and we had the single-engine equipment on the scene and we had to put them to work. 
So we sent them over to Meigs Field and did a pretty fair job at the time, but not as good as we would like. 
Senator MONRONEY. You were not carrying many passengers? 
Mr. MOORE. No, sir.
Senator MONRONEY. That is after all the test of an aircraft line or helicopter line, how many passengers you can generate. 
Thank you very much, Mr. Moore, for your testimony. We appreciate your appearing here. Do you have anything further? 
Mr. MOORE. No, I think that concludes my statement, Mr. Chairman.
Senator MONRONEY. We will incorporate most of the matters from the appendix that we have gone into in the record.
We thank you very much for the completeness of your testimony. We wish you good luck in the future. 
Mr. MOORE. Thank you. 
Senator MONRONEY. The next witness is Mr. M.F. Bagan, President, San Francisco & Oakland Helicopter Airlines. Mr. Bagan, we are happy to have you. You may proceed in your own way.