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{SPEAKER name="Daniel Kunene"} Silica glass and brittle Sahara, Timbuktu, Gao, the hills of a haffle, winds of the Niger, Kumasi and Kaiver down the coiled Congo and down that Black River that tides us to hell.

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hell in the water, brown boys of Bushongo drowned in the blue and the bitter waste of the wave-gullied Ferdinand sea.

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Soft winds to San Salvador, Christopher Christ and Nonoa our dove to promises, grim though it was the simple salvation of love.

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and so it was Little Rock, Dallas, New Orleans, Santiago de Cuba, the miles of unfortunate islands, the saints and the virgins

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{SPEAKER name= "Brooks B. Robinson"}
beautiful, very beautiful, you're making here, the connection between the old world, and the new world

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
and the new right

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{SPEAKER name="Brooks B. Robinson"}
now, exactly what connection do you see? I know your poem, uhh, is using, uhh, the names of various places.

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
names, right, mhm

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{SPEAKER name="Brooks B. Robinson"}
what uhh other

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
it's more than that right

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{SPEAKER name="Brooks B. Robinson"}
yes

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
umm, well the first element, well the basic element is the element of culture, what I recognize as I came back to the Caribbean was that we, for instance, physically, you have the connection; the people walk the same way, they look the same way, you could be someone from Dahomey-

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{SPEAKER name="Brooks B. Robinson"}
yes

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
-or you know your uncle could-

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{SPEAKER name="Brooks B. Robinson"}
of course

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
-live in in in the Caribbean-

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{SPEAKER name="Brooks B. Robinson"}
of course

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
-but, in addition to that, when you when you go to the market, you see that the people sit in our markets in the same way they sit in Africa- the physical posture is the same-

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{SPEAKER name="Brooks B. Robinson"}
right

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
- the colors that they choose as market women are very similar-

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{SPEAKER name="Brooks B. Robinson"}
yeah

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
-the way they present their food (stutters) their materials for sale-

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{SPEAKER name="Brooks B. Robinson"}
yes

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
-also very similar, the the habit of putting them in lovely geometric designs-

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{SPEAKER name="Brooks B. Robinson"}
yes

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{SPEAKER name= "Daniel Kunene"}
-being conscious of color, the way they prefer to have the food on the ground rather than-
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