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Y: I've read some articles concerning that.

G: And alas, I am afraid, in art as in everything else that helps one to succeed. Maybe not to get into the old master textbooks ... I gather there is something else that you did as a teacher, and this I get from reading catalogues, you know, like the Who Chicago (?) and I guess even more in that conversation, that Katherine [[blank line]] reported in the [[blank line]] show ... was that you would send students on, what was it called? trash treasure hunts or treasure trash, or something like that, somebody was describing?

Y: Well, I still do that, See I'm trying to get students to realize their responses to the world around them and I don't want to impose any particular subject matter on a student, and very often I'd send a young person out into the city to gather things that somehow he has reactions to, whether they are magazines, objects, scraps of paper lying in alley-ways ... and I want them to begin to realize that they should make a decision about the source material they want to deal with in their artwork, and of course that changes as time goes by, but at least begin to ...

G: With something concrete in there, that's what you are saying.

Y: Right.

G: Well you know, it seems to me that that's a very fundamental difference between yourself and maybe the artists you quite directly influenced, or at least the imagists in general, and Mioko Ito (?) and the other artists who now sort of bond themselves together as