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EM  Well, that's more than life size, isn't it?

JL  It is a little bit more than life size, yes. And I  made one which is is at the Metropolitan Museum, and one which I made--Marsden Hartley sleeping--that was very interesting because one day he came to my studio, and he said, "You know, Jacques, I saw a man on the bench over there in Washington Square sleeping lying down." I said, "Marsden, would you like to pose for me like that I just made a sketch of him like that?" And I just made a sketch of him like that ... and so I made it. And then I made the final portrait.

EM  Well, how many heads did you do altogether?

JL  Three heads.

EM  Three. Two of them are terra-cotta.

JL  Two are terra-cotta and one is bronze. And then I finished. He said to me, "Jacques, do you know how many sittings I gave you?" I said, "No." "Twenty-seven." So I said, "Do you regret it?" He said, "No, I'm happy because now I can die." 

EM  And he did too. 

JL  And he did too.
EM  Oh, this was in Washington Square.

JL  Washington Square. Now what was interesting was he was always bringing me bribes because he knew that I knew something about (antiquities). And he was always asking me advice, and I have to say that always  he was bringing things of perfectly good taste and authentic. He was a very fine conoisseur. And he was teaching me English. I remember one day I said, "Well, Marsden, please come tomorrow at two o'clock." He said, "I will come tomorrow at two o'clock." I said, "OK." The sayings you learn, you know, and he becomes very sad. He said, "Jacques, don't say any more