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I can't remember now off-hand what other paintings were in there except the Factums. I had shown before that one painting, just one painting of Rauschenberg's in a group show which was a sort of program of my gallery. Both Rauschenberg and Johns were represented in it: Johns with the flag and Rauschenberg with a painting called Gloria, which is still around and still a great painting.
Ques: What do you think...what's the significance of what Bob has done? What does he mean to you?
Leo: Well, that's a question which is rather difficult to answer in a few words. When you mentioned his openness and I tried to answer that question-- well, it's about that. It's about his openness. He includes everything; everything's possible for him. His daring is probably unprecedented. I cannot think of any artist that has had the same kind of audacity in just using everything that he sees, perceives in his painting in such a way where he actually, as he says, acts between...in the gap between art and life. Nobody had [[strikethrough]] done that because the great men of the past like Picasso, let's say of the modern times, would have used practically everything, bit then...it went through [[considerable]] transformations. In Rauschenberg these things are just half transformed. He wants them just to be as they were; to be part of art and part of life at the same time [[strikethrough]]. I think that's what makes Rauschenberg so terribly important.
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