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RL: Well, I think the thing that I find in commercial art - in the new world outside largely formed by industrialism or by advertising - is the energy and the impact that it has and the directness and a kind of aggression and hostility that come through it. I don't mean that industrialization is attempting to be hostile. That's not the point. But the aggressness is aggressive to the point of hostility I think. [[strikethrough]] and [[/strikethrough]]  It's this kind of thing which forms or crystallizes into a kind of style which is very demanding, energetic, so forth, to me.

It has a lot to do with the conceptualization of art rather than the visual. Conceptualization in a way means over-simplification, and I'm concerned very much with apparent over-simplification. I think art maybe has been concerned with this for quite a while. Mondrian may be looked at as being concerned with this, and Miro. It doesn't mean that the art is over-simplified; but it's a kind of stylistic development.

AS: This doesn't really answer what I'm asking. Because for example when you do a 'Mondrian' it's not the simplification that you're concerned with. You do something very strange to it.

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