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3 head and if the colors look ugly or the arrangement seems impossible, letting it play out anyway. INT (INAUDIBLE)...answer my question abou [[about]] the statement... HF Yes. OK. INT When did you first start to paint? HF I first started to paint--well, in my teens, but I think seriously, with the idea of wanting to be a painter when I was 16 or 17. INT (INAUDIBLE) HF I was at Bennington then, yes. --about 16. But before then I had studied with (NAME) at Dalton. And at Bennington Paul Fielding, who was head of the department there. But you know, it's --my first year in college I certainly knew that that was what interested me the most--what I enjoyed the most. INT When did you first...when did you first begin to get what you thought was your own thing [[strikethrough]] boing [[/strikethrough]] going? HF I first began to feel what I was about--or what my mark was- in the early 50's---51 or 52 and that was after I had gotten out of college. And I had looked for the first time--that was-- oh, in [[strikethrough]] 490 [[/strikethrough]] '49--'50 at de Kooning and Pollock and Hoffmann, and all the New York school. And I would say that until around [[strikethrough]] 194, [[/strikethrough]]