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this work is located in terms of classification gives it its value. So then we have to analyze these classifications. Once you analyze them, then you know that there might be an alternative possibility. Did you ever think of the convention of the art show itself, or the convention of the neutral white gallery? Heaven—that's where you put your psychic representation, in this white space. And [you] hope that somebody will recognize its value. This is independent of your own psychologies. Each person has his own psychological hang-ups. If you can get over psychology [psychologism], then you have a chance to see the world more clearly, to see the world more phenomenologically, rather than psychologically. Then you won't be burdened will all this guilt, and there might be an alternative to step outside these control factors, like the convention of the art show. The New York art galleries have really only been in existence for a decade. Prior to that it was something else. Q: What would be the purpose of changing your position not to [do profit], or make profit the greater value. RS: I'm not really interested in commodities. I mean I'm not motivated by commodities as much as I am [by] real estate. A good example of this is there's this thing called Earth People's Park. It's an alternative. These people have all gotten together and they're buying up all this property up in Vermont. Anybody can go up there and build on that property. But it's an alternative kind of value. It's not like capitalist real estate in New York City, simply because of the high concentration of economic value. It's sort of the difference between centralized wealth and the possibility of a new wealth. ### End of tape Transcribed by Kathryn M Davis for Nancy Holt February 16, 2004 Final Correction March 9, 2004 12