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{SPEAKER name="Jefferson Pinder"}
Well a couple ways, you know? I keep it open because it is, um, about, um, mining it, you know, making sure that in some way that someone's watching it,
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and it could be about like, you know, getting into it, and getting down and dirty, and using it and harnessing it, um, to create or to find truth, um, even if it's in a video piece.
[00:04:48]
You know, it's just like, well, um, what kind of, you know, does the image have to be beautiful, you know, does it have to be pretty? No! Does have to be palatable, can it be, like, as slow as paint dripping,
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or you know, drying on the wall. Yeah, maybe, and you gotta bear with it because that's life, I mean cause this is real time, real media, you know, and some of the stuff, you know, like with Car Wash,
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and with Invisible Man. It's about, you know, being in it inside of an experience, and I keep myself, like, minimal for that reason. Um, I keep myself- um, I create this small performance,
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so it becomes more than me, and so, um, you're forced to make these decisions of who I am, you know, and that as an African American man, I mean, you fill in the blank, "Who? What is that?"
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I don't know how many times people have looked at me and said, "You look so angry!" and I'm just like, "I'm just being me!" I mean, I am just, like, focusing on something, and I'm focusing on a thought,
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and I'm just trying to be empty, you know? So if they're filling me with this hatred, it's not something that was on my mind, like, you know, "I'm going to look like, you know, the toughest brother you've ever seen."
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No! I'm just gonna be still, and this is gonna be my passive resistance, you know? Let's see how you hang with me as far as like, you know, trying to push myself as far outta this as possible.
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{SPEAKER name="Benjamin Bloom"}
Does this hip-hop music or hip-hop culture effect your work, generally? How would you say you are influenced or not influenced by hip-hop?

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