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two are, I don't know. But I was twenty years old when I went on the project. I knew nothing about mural painting, but fortunately at the time, the way the WPA was set up you could apprentice yourself if you wanted to learn a particular medium or particular phase of art, you could accredit yourself to take a leave of absence. You could leave the division of the project, you could take a leave of absence from the division and work with the mural painters so that you grasped the fundamentals of how to go about it. Then you could take your chances in a competitive examination by doing one of the murals, which I did after working with a mural painter, a guy who is now a very famous commercial artist, Arthur Littall, who does a lot of work for Life magazine. He was at that time on the project, and I worked with him for a year. And I did some murals, most all about Negro history. ...I don't know really. I don't really...this is not being facetious...but I don't really try to analyze myself too closely. You know, I have a lot of little demons lying in that Pandora's box, and I ain't going to open them all. So I lifted the lid one day, and I saw a little bit of it, and I shut it real quick. And I ain't going to open that Pandora's box, so I don't analyze too much about why I do some things and why I don't do other things in types of subject matter of this or that. However, I did try to do a Lincoln once, and it was a miserable mess, just a mess. -15-