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It wasn't particularly...I wan't happy about the whole thing of being the first Negro...I was proud of being first Negro. I've been the first Negro many, many times. You know, it first started when I was nineteen years old. I was the first Negro to win a scholarship at Artists Studio in Chicago in city-wide competition...nineteen years old. That was thirty-eight years ago, and I still find that I can be first. And maybe when I'm a little old man, there'll be another first to come along. You see? Well, if you don't want that... I don't want to spend my life being first. And I don't want to cheat another guy coming along while he's second. And there is a second one now, you see. Genard finally got broke down and added an art Negro teacher there, a sculptor. Mel Edwards teaches sculpture. Well, there's still a couple more schools I see around. I haven't seen any art departments or the colleges, have any art professors there, you see. There are a number of candidates at Otis who are candidates for a M.F.A., Master of Fine Arts degree. I'm going to wait and see how soon they're picked up after they graduate if they've got qualifications...see how soon they're picked up. So there is a suppression. Look man, art is...don't you believe, nobody believe that there is any area in any field where there is no segregation, there is no discrimination as far as the Negro is concerned. Where there's life, there's segregation. 
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