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[[strikethrough]] LL: Yeah, I've got some... [[/strikethrough]] with white wires going across, [[strike through]] and the wires were hanging [[/strike through]] sort of [[strike through]] a tagle [[/strike through]] tangled.  Nauman had [[strike through]] a by far [[/strike through]] the most [[strike through]] rad [[/strike-through]] radical thing in the show, [[strike through]] I suppose. [[/strike through]] tho Viner's was [[strike through]] interesting and [[/strike through]]  pretty far out too. Nauman's was a rubber streamer that was stretched [[strike through]] a long way [[/strike through]] horizontally across a wall, with two soft elements [[strike through]] coming [[/strike through]] hanging down. [[strike through]] And then [[/strike through]]. Another piece [[strike through]] that [[/strike through]] was just a clump of rubber streamers [[strike through]] that was [[/strike through]] just dropped on the floor [[strike through]] and [[/strike through]] it took any [[strike through]] thing [[/strike through]] shape. they were very close to what Bob Morris did later. [[strike through]] And another piece that I have down there I can show you. It's a sort of melted fiberglass, negative, er mold mould of a negative volume. [[/strike through]] 

UM: [[strike through]] Do you feel that the anti-form...[/[strike through]] Do you see [[strike through]] a straight development between (maybe straight development is the wrong expression), [[/strike through]] some strong relationship between what we know today as anti-form and what you perceived as eccentric abstractions?

LL: Very much so, that I certainly wasn't aware of exactly [[strike through]] what way it would, [[/strike through]] what kind of form it would take, and there were a lot of implications in the eccentric thing that I just didn't get, [[strike through]] not having been into it that, [[/strike through]] not having had that much foresight. Anti-form came up, [[strike through]] as a sort of [[/strike through]]... again, [[strike through]] as an [[/strike through]] as a sort of escape from [[strikethrough]] a [[/strikethrough]] the very hard, clear idea of primary structures, not escape from but extension of, I guess. [[strikethrough]] And that was the same thing with the people who were doing eccentric abstraction [[/strikethrough]]. And [[strikethrough]] also [[/strikethrough]] of course a lot of [[strikethrough]] them were [[/strikethrough]] the artists are the same. [[strikethrough]] people. Eva Hesse is Anti-Form, Sonnier, Nauman (I don't call?) anti-form. I think [[/strikethrough]] anti-form is a lousy phrase. It isn't anti-form, it's just another kind of form that takes its [[strikethrough]] form [[/strikethrough]] shape from the material's properties rather [[strike through]] thn [[/strike through]] than from [[strikethrough]] (the way its perceived?) and that [[/strike through]] a per-conceived, fixed shape; it has built-in changes, [[strike through]] rather than stays put. [[/strike through]] but certainly it isn't any more against form than primary structures was. The kind of neutrality [[strike through]] of [[/strike through]] primary structures [[strike through]] was was [[/strike through]] stressed

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