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taking the Sixties as being in the first half [[strikethrough]] which I'd rather not [[/strikethrough]] that is, counting modern art from 1912. [[strikethrough]] And I think that now that it is breaking up, I think, well, [[/strikethrough]] Ad's doing those Black square Paintings in the beginning of the Sixties was by implication a very important point. And now [[strikethrough]] I think it has [[/strikethrough]] things have opened up to the point where the business [[strikethrough]] of [[/strikethrough]] are trying going "beyond" another is becoming much less important. The fragmentation is so obvious. [[strikethrough]] In fact [[/strikethrough]] anybody really can do anything they want, it doesn't have to be measured against the Greenbergian standard or anyone else's standard.

UM: But don't you think that the Greenbergian standards are very much related to the notions that have prevailed in Western [[strikethrough]] society [[/strikethrough]] art...

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LL: Oh yes.

UM: [[/strikethrough]] for a millenium. The old Greek standards. And I think this is another point of great importance, I don't think I mentioned that earlier [[/strikethrough]] in my paper, that what people agree upon is that art now is outside the context of conventional aesthetics. [[strikethrough]]

LL: I'm not sure that it cannot be written about in the same sense [[/strikethrough]] context, but certainly a new esthetic system has to be, should be thought up for the new art. It's too bad that we keep relating new esthetic systems back to the old ones anyway, because they should probably all (unintelligible) .. Another thing I should have said [[/strikethrough]] mentioned in the context of eccentric abstraction was that [[/strikethrough]] Judd's idea of the whole thing being more important than the parts, which has to do with order and disorder, post-Cartesian idea [[/strikethrough]] order, I think [[/strikethrough]] Lewitt has a lot to do with that too [[/strikethrough]] did a lot with that too. He and Judd and André were probably the [[/strikethrough]] in a funny sense [[strikethrough]] may have had the most basic ideas, though Morris has other, [[/strikethrough]] maybe more "modern" ideas, fundamental ideas to the art [[strikethrough]] at that print. Lewitt's thing about [[strikethrough]]

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