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12 art action groups were [[?]] & M S. America, because I like the way they are using it politically. As art, [[strikethrough]] I must say [[strikethrough]] it doesn't interest me much, but I like it as a mixture,[[strikethrough]] of [[strikethrough]] a kind of isolated. use. of art in a political context. UM; [[strikethrough]] This is a very very important issue, you see. [[strikethrough]] Anti-art is anti-establishment, that's one issue. But then it has a political and societal significance. LL: Not necessarily, sometimes it's just anti-art establishment, [[strikethrough]] which [[strikethrough]] Especially in New York, where everything is so involved with other art and other artists, it tends to be anti-art world, or in the art world rather than in the real world. UM: [[strikethrough]] Well I think when you deducted right from Ad Reinhardt's point of view, the term is very significant as a continuation. [[strikethrough]] LL: I think he [[strikethrough]] thought of of [[strikethrough]] felt that his own art [[strikethrough]] as [[strikethrough]] was like matter and anti-matter, as being there all by itself, it was the only anti-art, and then all of art. In other words it was like the ultimate art, instead of being something that was beginning to stand up against art. UM: [[strikethrough]] Yes, I think that that is a very important point of view. What is your thinking, I don't know if you are familiar with this at all or have discussed it something there is anti-art in terms of life-style [[strikethrough]] . [[strikethrough]] , [[strikethrough]] I mean when [[strikethrough]] it comes to substitute the creation of works of art. [[strikethrough]] LL: [[strikethrough]] Mmm, well [[strikethrough]] Of course that's what the Dadaists and Surrealists had in mind, but [[strikethrough]] I'm not sure that I know of any, I think [[strikethrough]] most artists that I know well today have a life-style as artists but not [[strikethrough]] anything [[strikethrough]] necessarily as
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