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UM: How does work with this low-energy ?
LL: I  actually can't explain. I could give you an article of his which is fascinating.....
UM: I think that's a very good reason for the importance of photography. Not that xxx photogrphy  is the issue any more, like with spiegel?(sheslim)(?) for example, but as a recording device of that which an artist considers art, and x which is neither preconceived, nor which he did. you don't understand what I mean?
LL: No.
UM: Well, for example, your........ three friends in the Arctic, that wuld have been a beauitful piece of art.
LL: Well they weren't all in the Arctic: one was in Vancouver,one was in Nova Scotia, and one was in the Arctic, and at xxx a

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