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N: we are organized as a social organization. And families. There is a lot of work to do. Mb: I read the organizers. Weve single men + women, in the old days. Today it is a social group. Now women can carry a torch. One village hold a reterendum and the vote was NO. Bota a few women participated anyway AND THE OLD TRADITION WAS BROKEN. MB: Until UNESCO some villages did not know other villages were doing the same thing. N: We have fire on us. Joluis Day, and have never seen another fire in another village. MB: Some villages around publicity + don't want tourism N:63 villages recognized by UNESCO. [cultural heritage] MB: In France, 30 villages. Others in Andorra too. And Dragon Have many sinclarity - language,location, no borders in a sense. Two villages that go down with tires on XMas evening P: Valencia has fires? MB:every village has a different kind of fire. And a different kind of festival, different dancers. N: Torches can be 20 - 40kq. Carry it 1 km. One year they moved a car. Another year, they moved a wouda's clothes from one balcony to another. N: Some villages have a religious component; for other, no religion. EARIEST? MB - Eighteenth century, but it is more direct N: Population less, migration out for work, work is seasonal.