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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
and what Van Peebles' film did in those conversations was to provide another kind of a context for those discussions.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
The fact that this film, the hero, uh, survives.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And, not only does he survive, but he is what he is from beginning to the end,
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
and becomes a kind of anti-hero. Which was somewhat revolutionary. Certainly, it was never seen in a Hollywood film.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
And none of the black exploitation films allow the hero to survive, or to live,
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
no matter how good he was or how bad he was. He always expired by the end of the film.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
So there were many reasons that people talked about the film, even though they had not seen it.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
But it had its impact in a much broader way than just people actually seeing the film in a theater.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Uh, his-- At the moment Van Peebles, um, has a seat on the stock exchange.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Um, has done extremely well, uh. And he didn't just get the seat on the stock exchange,
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
he was there for a, quite, quite a while.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Uh, has done extremely well for himself with the records,
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
uh, with the distributions sale of his own films,
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
and he, uh, his work is popular abroad as well.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
I mean, the-- the French are very, very much excited about, by Van Peebles' work. Um--
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{SPEAKER name="Clyde Taylor"}
He directed a TV movie about six years ago. Uh, but I don't remember the name of it.
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
Gentleman something?
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{SPEAKER name="Clyde Taylor"}
Yeah, uh.
[audience cross talk]
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{SPEAKER name="Pearl Bowser"}
"Sophisticated Gents."
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{SPEAKER name="Clyde Taylor"}
"Sophisticated Gents," right. Right. But his, his work is very sporadic.
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{SPEAKER name="Clyde Taylor"}
Either in, uh, television or films. Yeah?
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{Unknown Speaker 1}
Is there a body of critical reviews of this film by the, uh, establishment,
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{Unknown Speaker 1}
both the black and white establishment in their publications?
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{Unknown Speaker 1}
And how it-- was it received by the, uh, black establishment at the time?
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{Unknown Speaker 1}
If there is a record of it?
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{SPEAKER name="Clyde Taylor"}
Well, there surely is a record. I would suggest that the Museum of Modern Art there
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{SPEAKER name="Clyde Taylor"}
would probably be a file. And other, and perhaps, at the Schomburg, as well,
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{SPEAKER name="Clyde Taylor"}
there might be a file of reviews at the time. I've seen several--
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{Unknown Speaker 2}
Have you seen nothing, uh?
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{SPEAKER name="Clyde Taylor"}
I've seen quite a few. There was a very important piece by Lerone Bennett in Ebony magazine.
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{SPEAKER name="Clyde Taylor"}
Lerone Bennett. Ebony magazine. Don Lee in black--
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