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1861 Dec 16 Mon

to this: The "heavy stone" was carried over on a Kum-mi-ti (sledge) when the sun was high - ([[v-ko?]]) Smith instantly spoke to me saying that could not be for then it was Summer. I told Smith the answer of Petatto about the Anvil being conveyed over to Oo-pung-ne-wing on a sledge corresponded with the testimony of At-tark-pa-vu, - & furthermore, when the Sun was the higest (to wit, 21st of June)the ice is usually fast around Oo-pung -ne-wing, Kod-lee-narn, Ni-oun-te-lik,- in fact to a great extent in all Northern Bays. Pe-tat-to said she had seen the heavy stone (Anvil) in the Igloos on the Island farther end very near the water, from her description in pointing out the location on the ground in the [[tupik]] of Oo-sou-kar-lou it was on the S.E. end on side of Oo-pung-ne-wing. It was used to test the strength of the Innuits. But a few Innuits could lift it. She said: 'Igloos in-e-lete te-mar-ne,' - that is the anvil was the place where the Innuits had the Igloos last Winter (Petatto pointing with her finger to the ground) She continued: 'Ig-loo-en-y Kun-ne-took-oo-loo e-meik Wonga tak-koo [[underlined]]smalleg[[/underlined]] ses-samen at-kan-neg' (On the other side of the Island from where we searched yesterday, very near the water she saw it [[underlined]]four years ago[[/underlined]]!

I now continue information conveyed by Uhl Pe-tat-to in the interview had with her to-day giving points as they come to mind. Ko-lu-nars built a ship on Koil-lu-narr. She described by peculiar scooping movements of her hands the place they dug out in the Island in wh. they made the vessel. She said there were 2 places dug out in the rocks - one a little distance from where they built the ship made to catch and hold water (fresh water) for Koil-lu-narns. Innuits all around were kind to the white people - brought them seals took-too &c & They were on Koil-lu-narn through one Winter - that is while there wintered there but once. When ice broke up went away in the ship - after a while come back again
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1861 Dec 16 Mon

seku (ice) brought them back - could not get out Very cold - great storm. Innuits built them Igloos on Koil-lu-narn but they all died.

Pe-tat-to was about to tell how many Koil-lu-narns built the ship & tried to go away. She first raised one hand opened the fingers & thumb showing five thinking a moment & looking at said fingers & thumb she finally threw up the other hand fingers and thumb spread out when she said she did not recollect whether they were Mik-n-ook-oo-loo or ama-su-ad-loo (few or many). 

The question was asked Pe-tat-to: When ships first began to come in to this Bay if the Koil-lu-narn killed any of the Innuits? She answered instantly that [[underlined]]they did[[/underlined]], but she did not know how many. She was also asked Why Innuits do not live on that land beyond Is-si-hi sak-ju-a? She said long time since a great many Innuits lived there - one time they were all out on the ice - Ice moved off from the land & away it went. Innuits never came back again.

Pe-tat-to said during the interview that her mother - her mother's Grand-mother - her mother's Grandmother's Grandfather were all very old people before they died - older than she is now.

I should judge Petatto to be not less than than 70 - She may be near 80. Innuit ages are very deceptive to White people - thay are older than they appear to our eyes. Various instances have occurred where I have guessed at the ages of some of the younger portion & by unmistakable evidence afterward obtained have found that the ages exceeded estimation. During the interview with Pe-tat-to I had to-day I mentioned the name of Oo-ki-jox-yini-noo. Pe-tat-to instantly exclaimed: 'Me Oo-ki-jox-y? Me Oo-ki-jox-y?' I replied: Na-me, Na-me? Ok-ki-jox y tak-ko Kod-lu-narn.(Oo-ki-jox-y see White men) Old Pe-tat-to's eyea flashed fire at this, she bursting forth in feelings of pathos, saying: 'Oo-ki-jox-y tak-koo nar-me Oo-koo-jox-y tak-koo nar-me; - Oo-Koo-jox-y [[underlined]]Tef-sa-poo am-a-su-it[[/underlined]]?' Oo-Koo-jox-y did not see the White people Oo-koo-jox-y did not see White people, - but [[underlined]]Oo-Koo-jox-y knows a great deal about them[[/underlined]] - about their history. - that is Pe-tit-to would have me to understand that the occurences relative to the White Men & ship was so very many years ago that it was entirely impossible for even so old an Innuit as Oo-ki-jox-y to have witnessed them.