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12 MANN: No, I don't think I ever met him. HENSON: [Laughter] Probably just as well. MANN: Old Dr. [Eugene Amandus] Schwarz--Bill was very fond of him. I didn't know him well, but I did meet him. He was much older than we were. HENSON: Right. How much contact was there back and forth between the Smithsonian and Agriculture? You mentioned going over to the library in the National Museum. Was there that close a contact between the two? MANN: Yes. The men working who were actually hired by the Department of Agriculture very often had offices in the museum. I know that until Dr. Mann went to the zoo in 1925, he was on the payroll of the Department of Agriculture, but his office was in the museum, and he was associate curator of insects. HENSON: Right, Hymenoptera it said in the old [[underlined]] Annual Report [[underlined]]. He retained that all the way through, didn't he? MANN: Yes, when he first came to the zoo, he had a preparator come out one day a week and would work on insects with her, but eventually the zoo was enough to fill up all his days. He wrote a few papers but not so many after he joined the zoo. Eventually he had to give up being a curator, it was too much. But he never lost his interest in insects. Wherever we were, he always had a butterfly net in his hand.