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26 Mann: No, when Bill first started, there was hardly anybody who really knew anything about them. Henson: Was that journal, I guess the one by [William T., Jr.] Innes was one of the first ones, the magazine that he put out? Mann: Bill Innes in Philadelphia was the great authority on tropical fish. I have his book still; it's very good. He was a good friend of ours. We always went to see him when we were in Philadelphia. Henson: What was the ebb and flow of people in and out visiting like? Mann: Visiting the zoo or our apartment? Henson: Both. Mann: All kinds, really, all kinds. I never knew whether Bill was going to come home with a president of Harvard or a circus clown. He like all sorts of people--everybody. In the zoo if he saw a car with a Montana license, he'd look for somebody from Montana, take them to lunch, and then probably bring them over to the apartment in the afternoon after work. He was very gregarious. I know we had--I was thinking of this just the other day--one of those safety chains on the front door, and he always said that was so if a burglar got in he couldn't get out again, because he'd rather have a burglar than have nobody in house. [Laughter] Yes, we always had company. He'd come home at 4:30, I think that was when his office hours were, maybe five o'clock and bring whoever he had been going around the zoo with. They'd get