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Mann: No, when Bill first started, there was hardly anybody who really knew anything about them.

Henson: Was that journal, I guess the one by [William T., Jr.] Innes was one of the first ones, the magazine that he put out?

Mann: Bill Innes in Philadelphia was the great authority on tropical fish.  I have his book still; it's very good.  He was a good friend of ours.  We always went to see him when we were in Philadelphia.

Henson: What was the ebb and flow of people in and out visiting like?

Mann: Visiting the zoo or our apartment?

Henson: Both.

Mann: All kinds, really, all kinds.  I never knew whether Bill was going to come home with a president of Harvard or a circus clown.  He like all sorts of people--everybody.  In the zoo if he saw a car with a Montana license, he'd look for somebody from Montana, take them to lunch, and then probably bring them over to the apartment in the afternoon after work.  He was very gregarious.  I know we had--I was thinking of this just the other day--one of those safety chains on the front door, and he always said that was so if a burglar got in he couldn't get out again, because he'd rather have a burglar than have nobody in house.  [Laughter] Yes, we always had company.  He'd come home at 4:30, I think that was when his office hours were, maybe five o'clock and bring whoever he had been going around the zoo with.  They'd get