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HENSON: But that is the casual way, really, of American people. Did you see more now of Smithsonian type people, I guess Dr. Wetmore, and Dr. Graf, and people like that?

MANN: Oh, yes, Bill at that time was on a committee. What could it have been? Certainly not the Board of Regents, but some group that met regularly. It was the Committee on Publications. Dr. [Leonard] Stejneger was one of them, and the editor, Marcus Benjamin, and I forget who the others were. Bill wasn't with them very long, but he brought all of them home for lunch one day. That was shortly after we were married. They were, oh, these old men, and Dr. Stejneger with a white beard, I'm sure there were some other beards, you know. I found one rather young man who was easy to talk to, and he and I chatted when I wasn't waiting on table, and he turned out to be somebody's chauffeur. [Laughter] I was so awed by the older scientists. We became great friends with the Stejnegers.

HENSON: What was he like?

MANN: He was a darling. His birthday and our wedding anniversary were the same date, the thirtieth of October. So one year we would go to the Stejneger's house and celebrate his birthday, then the next year they'd come to our house and celebrate our wedding anniversary. That went on for years. He was remarkable for his age. He lived to be over ninety and still his mind was always good, very active. He loved to dance. He had a party for his eightieth birthday--it was a dance.