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MANN: Yes, he might have. I think that's what he was going to do--Madame Abreu. I know when I went to Madame Abreu's, as you know, it's a strange place. After she died some of the animals came to the Philadelphia Zoo. I think some sent to that great ape place outside of Jacksonville.

HENSON: That must've been a strange experience. One of the things it seemed he wanted to do was increase the range of collections--different animals, exotic animals.

MANN: Yes. That wasn't as much thought in those days of the importance of a breeding zoo. A zoo was for exhibition. I remember he always used to say he wanted a breeding trio, but he would settle for one individual of a species. It was rather pathetic to have one very rare animal and not be able to find a mate for it. Nowadays the emphasis is all on having a mate or building up a herd, and the zoos do a great deal more today in exchanging animals and lending animals for breeding purposes. I was reading just the other day about a black leopard that we had, a magnificent animal, the biggest black leopard I've ever seen. He was here for a number of years, and they had several litters, but his mate died. While the house was being built we sent this black leopard, his name was Kalu, to two or three other zoos--I think St. Louis was one of them, perhaps Chicago. He would mate with black leopards and those zoos and then finally came back here when this house was finished. That's something that I thoroughly approve of. Because now the conservationists. . .you know, all these endangered