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species, and whatnot, and there are a good many instances where species only exist in zoos, such as the Pere David's deer. Well, our new atlas lions, for instance, that we just got a year or so ago for the zoo, they're no longer in the wild. They're beautiful animals.

HENSON:   Are these descended from other zoo animals?

MANN:     Yes, these came from a zoo in Morocco, I think M'Rabat.

HENSON:   Now when you were out in the field then was there as much restriction on bringing animals back? I guess not in those days.

MANN:     No. Certain things were. Even back as far as the Chrysler expedition, they brought back two giraffes from Africa, and the giraffes had to be quarantined at the station in New Jersey before they could come down here. I don't think there was a quarantine on birds, for instance, that there is now. Anything in the antelope line had to be quarantined because. . .

HENSON:   Hooved stock, yes.

MANN:     . . .there were small antelopes as well as big ones.

HENSON:   Was there much restriction in terms of taking animals out of countries? Would you have had trouble, let's say? Or would you have had to get a lot of permits?

MANN:     Oh, you always had to get permits. I wasn't on the Chrysler expedition, but I know they did have to have permits. I knew