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a great deal at the time about getting permits to collect in the East Indies when we were there. We got a letter from some Dutch authority in Java, saying that he approved the expedition "in principle," so we started right for Sumatra, and then found it was only "in principle." When it came down to how many specimens of this, that, and the other we could have, they were being very fussy about it. We did get practically everything we wanted, but we always had to have permits.

HENSON:   I was just wondering how much there was back then of that type of restriction.

MANN:     I know in Africa a hunter's license was necessary years and years ago.

HENSON:   I know at one point they had problems when they wanted a gorilla. They had a gorilla all ready from Africa to bring up, from French
Equatorial Africa, and there was a problem with permits so it couldn't be exported. There was something in the correspondence about that. 

MANN:     I suppose there's a lot more of that now. Now you're not allowed to bring in not only a spotted cat--a leopard or jaguar or ocelot--unless it's going to a recognized zoo, but you can't bring in a fur coat from Paris. If you bring in a leopard coat that's been made in Paris, customs men will take it away from you the minute you hit New York.