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HENSON:   I didn't realize that it can't even be imported back in any form.

MANN:     No.

HENSON:   But there probably wouldn't have been anywhere near as much of that.

MANN:     There are certain reptiles that are also protected. You can't have alligator shoes anymore.

HENSON:   Right, things like that. Then in 1929, Dr. Mann published the first edition of [[underlined]] Wild Animals In and Out of the Zoo [[/underlined]].

MANN:     Yes.

HENSON:   How did that get done? I guess you helped him quite a bit with that.

MANN:     Not very much with that, no. He worked more with John Ellingston, who was the editor of that entire series. The Smithsonian sent Gladys [O.] Visel out to the zoo so many days a week, and she would sit in his office and take dictation. He would say, "Is that enough for a chapter?" She'd say, "No, you better do another paragraph." [Laughter] It finally got done. First he started doing it with a newspaper man here, Thomas [R.] Henry, and that didn't turn out very well. It was journalese. Tom was an excellent writer, of course, and became a very good newspaper man, but the Smithsonian didn't care for the first draft.