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That was when they sent out Miss Visel, and John Ellingston sort of stood by and told Bill what he should do. What I did for that book was the appendix, there were two appendixes (I saw that word the other day, I always said appendices). One was a list of longevity records for every animal, bird, and reptile that had ever been in the zoo. I went back to the records from 1890 to 1928, and listed everything that we'd had and what was the longest that any one specimen had lived. The other appendix was animals that had been born in the zoo. 

HENSON:   Even at that point you had a fairly good birth rate.

MANN:     Oh, yes.

HENSON:   But I guess there would not have been at that point very good temperature control, or as good as there is now, let's say, in terms of air conditioning and things like that?

MANN:     Oh, no, no air condition, and no control of humidity. . .

HENSON:   . . .things like that. Which would make it much more difficult to try and breed. 

MANN:     I think the first air conditioning the zoo ever had was in the bird house, a cage for the penguins. That was really a great step forward to be able to air condition the cage for the penguins. Those were the ones that came from an Admiral [Richard E.] Byrd expedition.

HENSON:   Right, Malcolm Davis went on that.