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52 HENSON: That again was through the Leisure League. After you published the first one for them, then they asked you to do that one? MANN: Yes, that was published by the Leisure League. Then Leisure League folded up and Sentinel Books took it over. There were a good many publications besides mine on all kinds of hobbies. A couple of years ago, Sentinel Book sold out to the Arco Publishing Company in New York. They have the copyright now. No, I have the copyright; they have whatever remainders there may be, I don't know, but from their last statement I gather they're just not going to sell anymore, and certainly not going to reprint it. HENSON: Yes, the aquarium book was in press for a long, long time. MANN: But it would have been more work than I want to undertake, and today I couldn't do it because my eyes are not what they used to be. HENSON: Did Benson Moore actually or did any of the PWA people actually work for the zoo? Do you know? MANN: No, I don't think so. They were paid out of PWA funds. HENSON: But were they detailed to the zoo specifically? MANN: Oh yes, they were detailed to the zoo. When that program was first announced in the papers, Bill called up Edward Bruce. I forget how we had met him, we met him through friends. He was a very