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MANN:    Oh, yes, that painting was done by Stephen Haweis, who died not long ago in Dominica, at the age of about ninety-six.  He started out as a painter of fishes.  We have some of his fish paintings.  He was on the Chrysler expedition with Bill, went along as artist.  He was an artist and there was a movie man (Charles Charlton was the movie-man from [[underlined]] Pathe Review [[/underlined]]) on the expedition.  [Laughter]

HENSON:  Okay, and that's his painting right there.

MANN:    That African scene is his.

HENSON:  I guess you had a fair run of people like that wandering through all the time?

MANN:    Yes.

HENSON:  How soon after you got married did you start going to circuses?  Or was it before?

MANN:    Oh, immediately.  Bill had always been crazy about circuses.  When a circus came to Washington we went to every performance, even if they stayed three weeks, we'd see the show twenty-one times.

HENSON:  Every performance?

MANN:    Every performance.  Not always afternoon and evening every day, but we'd go every day.  We'd go out to a dinner party, and Bill would begin telling circus stories about whatever small show was in town and get people interested, and they'd begin looking at their