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<6> 131 for the first and only time, talked all that both of us knew concerning Cam, I am positive I told him of Cams indebtedness to you and me and if the assignment of Cam's interest to us was then in effect, as I believe it was, I must have mentioned it to him. The rates will show! George Russel, of course, knew about the assignment. However, it is hard at this distance to be exact, If I could refer to the minutes certain of meetings of the old State Board